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Store 100 GB of files, music and video at an online storage provider and make it work!

September 29, 2006 at 9:14 pm

On my home network I have a fileserver with all my documents, music and videos which is around 100 GB. Wouldn’t it be great if I just could put these files on some kind of online storage provider and access it as easily from anywhere and simply throw out my local harddrive(s)? Is it possible? Is it usable? Read on to see what my conclusions are.

If keeping everything online, I could access my music at work (working in a cubicle, you need to put your earphones in now and then to get some privacy) or my videos during business travelling (ever been to France and stayed at a hotel and trying to watch a movie? Don’t even think about it! Everything is dubbed) or even on the airplane (I would love to test streaming on my next long-haul flight). And my documents - I always want them available!

So this is my search for a service that provides me to put my 100 GB of documents/music/video online and access it from anywhere - anytime. Will any provider enable me to do this today or do I need to come back next year?

So let’s break down my requirements:

  • 100 GB of space - what’s the price? Since I guess noone offers this for free (yet)
  • Price reasonable and prize available on their webpage. When I mean reasonable it should be cheaper than setting up a server yourself and putting it in some co-location datacenter which can go for as low as around $400 a year for 1U
  • Must have free trial-period for testing
  • Reasonable transfer limits - 1 GB files should be allowed and reasonable transfer limits. Last thing I want is that I need a document and can’t download it because I just streamed some music.
  • Files easily accessable from my desktop. It shouldn’t take me much more time to access the files than it does today
  • Serious business - Last thing I want is my files stored on cheap IDE-disks without backup or slow Internet pipes or a funky businees handling my private files

Also, maybe this is a little bit too much to ask, but I would also like it accessible with SMB/SAMBA/CIFS, XBMSP or ReplayTV since that’s what XBMC supports.

When looking at the first requirement, it rules out most of the suppliers out there. When choosing which one to check, I used the Free Online Storage list on lights.com and Tech Crunch article. There’s an additional link to a list at my Online Storage-section.

Service Limit
avail.
Cost 100GB
/year
Comment
AllMyData 100 GB $120 Coming soon    
Biscu.com No limit $1800 Unreasonable price    
Data Deposit Box No limit $12000 Unreasonable price    
Diino 100 GB $960 Unreasonable price    
Dropsend 250 GB $912 Unreasonable price    
Elephantdrive No limit Free      
FilesAnywhere 100 GB $2140 Unreasonable price    
FlipDrive 100 GB $199      
GlobalDrive 100 GB $6800 Unreasonable price    
IBackup 200 GB $2000 Unreasonable price    
Mediamax 1 TB $60      
OmnistarDrive No limit $47880 Unreasonable price    
Strongspace 160 GB $2436 Unreasonable price  

If I’ve missed anyone - please comment on this post!

So this leaves only 3 competitors: Elephantdrive, FlipDrive and Mediamax. Not many considering the 50-80 suppliers I’ve checked. Let’s look at them a little bit closer:

Elephantdrive

Elephantdrive works so that you download and install a client called ElephantDesktop. You start the application and login. Then you either select to do a backup or upload a specific item. When backing up you select your whole drive or specific filetypes. These kind of jobs can also be run at specific intervals. When uploading a specific item you can simply do drag’n'drop.

Elephantdrive is more of a backup/restore application where you can backup files at a scheduled basis and restore if necessary. So it’s not meant for active day-to-day usuage. For backup/restore it does the job - and better off - it’s completely free with no limit (for now during the beta anyway)! So if you’re looking for backing up your data but only accessing it when something has gone wrong - check it out. For day-to-day usuage - you better look at some other service.

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Flipdrive

Flipdrive features a webinterface which is quite nice and fast. You can browse directories in a tree just like Windows Explorer. When uploading you can select the basic uploading where you add file by file or a power upload (java) where you can select multiple files by holding down the shift. Both features a progress bar which gives you the KBs/time left.

You can search through your drive and you have a nice feature called “Photo Albums” where you can add pictures to different albums you create. You also have a simple personal Address Book and Calendar.

So how does it work if I would switch to Flipdrive for day-to-day usuage? Well firstly, it’s quite slow. Don’t get me wrong, the interface is fast but not as compared to using your local storage. When you click files you get the typical “Open With…” or “Save To…” when so you can choose to always open your media files with a Media Player. You can cut’n'paste files, rename files, delete files, send files (it will send a link via e-mail). With MP3’s you can mark the file and choose Play and it will play the file using the Flipdrive Player so you don’t have to download the file before playing. This doesn’t work for AVI’s though. If you want to watch an AVI you have to download the complete file first and then play it in your ordinary mediaplayer.

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Mediamax

MediaMax offers a similar file manager webinterface as Flipdrive. You can create folders, move files, edit, send files (either as a link or the actual files).

You also have some tabs with some specific feature:

  • Video Share and Photo Share enables you to create albums, view them, tag them and share with others
  • TV & Movie Locker enables you to upload videos and categorize them, create playlists, download and view
  • Music Locker enables you to upload music, play, create playlists and lists music by albums, genre and artists
  • Mail. You also have an e-mail address at Mediamax

Upload is pretty straightforward and there’s a java multi-file uploader featuring drag’n'drop from Explorer. You have a progressbar during upload. However, it can take some time from upload until the files are added to your directories.

So how does it work if I would switch to Mediamax for day-to-day usuage? The speed is much like Flipdrive, but I do get annoyed with the delay from upload until the files are actually published to your account.

The Video and Photo features are quite nice to organize your collection of videos and photos. It includes thumbnails and you can tag everything and create albums and add videos to certain albums and view them directly.

You can play music files directly from your online storage and it will stream rather than download using your locally installed player like Winamp but you can also download if you want. Using the Music Locker you can add music to playlists and stream certain playlists.

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My conslusion of this study:

As of writing in September 2006 - I can make the following conclusions to my study: I wouldn’t say that any online storage provider would be able to replace my local storage. Why?

  • The interfaces are too slow. If I would replace my local storage they have to be faster and more reliable./li>
  • Not as easy as local storage to access your files. You have to go to your personal online storage, login and so on. There are solutions such as Omnidrive that lets you mount the drive in Explorer, but it’s not yet public and has no pricing on 100 GB
  • Usability compared to local storage is low. For example, you don’t have all drag’n'drop capabilites. For as with videofiles you can’t simply click them and the video starts within a few seconds. Often, you have to download them first.

I know all these demands are too much to ask for the services today but that’s what I want! That is what is needed to enable me to give up my local storage. And I guess I simply have to come back in 2007 and see if the services out there have evolved. I’m sure that some day I can throw my local harddrive out the window and just keep that bootable flash drive in my local PC.

If I had to decide on a winner I would say Mediamax - because of some nice exclusive features.

Thomas Clausen

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 12:08 am

Wow Beautifull job Jonas, although the outcome is discouraging.

kanha

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 12:14 pm

quite true !!
still it is always an alternative on internet not the first hand use

Jonas

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 12:30 pm

Yes that is very true! I don’t think I would rely on online storage only - not today. Firstly because you might fave the problem that your Internet connection goes down - but hey, that’s a technical problem that has to be solved before this becomes reality. One solution could be something looking like “Make Offline…” in Windows Explorer.

Jonathan

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 12:32 pm

You missed Carbonite. They would charge $50 a year for an unlimited amount of data. They do throttle the amount you can send per day though.

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Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 12:45 pm

Thanks! I’ll definitly check Carbonite out!

Anzah

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 4:19 pm

Nice article as it involves real world usage and seems like these services are not ready for that yet. Or at least for this kind of usage.

AVI makes quite bad streaming format. It has index at the end of the file, so if sequential transfer is only option, then playback won’t start before the whole file is transfered. It’s not problem for CIFS though, but these services don’t offer that kind of option.

To be really transparent (wouldn’t it be great to play songs straight fron your favourite player without even remembering that they are on some server far far away), these services should support some kind of standards or someone needs to do file system implementation with FUSE. That won’t work in Windows though.

jim

Saturday, September 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pm

Amazon.com’s S3 storage may be worth looking at. Full disclosure: I work at an Amazon subsidiary, but am in no way speaking for Amazon.

* 100 GB of space - what’s the price? Since I guess noone offers this for free (yet)

Total storage is unlimited. Price for 100GB would be $180 storage + $22.40 transfer = $202.40 per year if you transfered 1G per month (plus the initial upload).

* Price reasonable and prize available on their webpage. When I mean reasonable it should be cheaper than setting up a server yourself and putting it in some co-location datacenter which can go for as low as around $400 a year for 1U

Depending on how much you transfer, it will probably be cheaper than a co-lo. Additionally, the data is replicated so you don’t have to be worried about hardware failures.

* Must have free trial-period for testing

This is not technically available, however transfering a small amount of data, let’s say 1G, and testing it for a month would run under $1. I argue that this is essentially free.

* Reasonable limits - 1 GB files should be allowed and reasonable transfer limits. Last thing I want is that I need a document and can’t download it because I just streamed some music.

There is no transfer limit, which I think is a big advantage to the other services.

* Files easily accessable from my desktop. It shouldn’t take me much more time to access the files than it does today

Jungle Disk provides a WebDAV interface, so you can essentially mount your storage onto you OS X, Windows, or Linux box.

* Serious business - Last thing I want is my files stored on cheap IDE-disks without backup or slow Internet pipes or a funky businees handling my private files

Amazon.com obviously has lots of bandwidth, is a serious business that survided the dot.com busts, and has replicated and backed up storage. The downside is that this service is still technically in Beta.

To compare with your conclusions from other services:

* The interfaces are too slow.

The Jungle Disk interface is as fast as your network, which still may be slower than accessing it locally.

* Not as easy as local storage to access your files.

You can run Jungle Disk at startup, and mount it as a drive.

* Usability compared to local storage is low.

Because you can mount the storage, normal drag-n-drop interfaces work, as you’d expect and are integrated into your OS. Utilities such as rsync work as well, in fact this is how I back up my Powerbook.

I look forward to your followup post on Amazon.com’s S3.

gqlu

Thursday, October 5th, 2006 at 2:10 pm

I came to this website from your comment you left on my blog. It seems that you really did a great job! Your summary impresses me a lot. But actually I don’t need such a big space, 100G. Anyway, thanks. :-)

Ben

Thursday, October 5th, 2006 at 2:46 pm

Your assessment of IBackup is wrong. Because top quality always comes for a price. Those who are free may become paid ones overnight or they may disappear altogether one fine morning. You will never know what hidden catches they have. Another thing is that their business model is totally unviable in the long term.

If you really want safe storage of your data, better do that with trusted and top-rated online storage service like IBackup. None other than PC World has recently rated it as the `best all-round backup service’ in a review. IBackup for Windows cannot only backup and restore all-important data, but it can also schedule them easily with a few easy clicks. Besides backing up files or folders, IBackup can do SQL Server, Exchange Server and System State backups. It does incremental and compressed backups by transferring only portions of modified files. So there is no clogging of network bandwidth. You can also backup open files with them. IBackup accounts are compatible with most FTP clients on most platforms providing a powerful flexible tool to transfer files.

Sharing data is very cool with IBackup. The job will be done by Webmanager with which sharable links can be created and mailed to your colleagues and partners. You can also Private Share data with another IBackup user with the help of Web-Manager. With ILite, you can view the online IBackup account through handhelds such as Blackberry, PocketPC and Treo devices. Create Sub-Accounts for collaborative online storage and access. Create sub-sections within your main account to provide fine-grained access control.

The really cool thing about IBackup is their application
IDrive that maps the online account as a local drive on the PC! Using this, you can map the online account as a local drive on your computer and work on the documents or data as if they are on your PC. Installing and using it is very easy and it has 128-bit support.

IBackup has more to offer, but you must try their free trial to get a hang of them.

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Thursday, October 5th, 2006 at 4:54 pm

Hi Ben! Thanks for your comment.

I totally agree on you that you should really be careful of the free alternatives out there. But I’m not looking into the free alterantives, but the ones with a reasonable price for me as a private person to pay as an alternative to having my own disks online. Paying $2000 a year for a private person for 100 GB of storage is unreasonable to me! then I just rather get some local disks on my PC.

But if you’re a company that needs a realiable backup solution - $2000 is not bad - but that’s not what I focus on in this article.

And yes - you usually get what you pay for. And if would sum up my article I wouldn’t say that keeping EVERYTHING online today is possible - but maybe in a few years!

XF

Friday, October 6th, 2006 at 6:35 am

Wah…is cool…. i like it. Thanks for sharing :)

Mifuyuu

Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 at 2:53 am

I use Mediamax and this is what I have to say:
Mediamax may be good, but it was previously known as Streamload and there were a hell of a lot of complaints about it. They lost a lot of data for people - heck, they lost a good number of my stuff but what could we do about it?

Also, uploading stinks because when you upload a big file there, half the time it stops midway due to some stupid error. Likewise for downloading, there have been times I tried to download things from my own account and it can’t be downloaded for MONTHS. Seriously, what’s the point? You might as well just get a portable/external hard disk.

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Wednesday, October 11th, 2006 at 7:08 am

Hi Mifuyuu. Thanks for sharing your experiences with an online storage provider. Well, the point is that I don’t want to spend time having anything installed in my home. I just want it to be available anywhere, anytime. So I want to have access to my files if I’m in a hotel in Japan, or maybe during my lunchbreak at an Internet Café in London. Hard to do without having to bring my harddrive everywhere. I know this may sound like “hey, you’re asking too much” but if you would have asked 10 years ago that “I want to store 100 GB of data online for $30 a month - they would prrobably would have laughed you off” But today - that is possible!

And your other thing - loosing data. That is also something that needs to be addressed by the companies out there. Maybe paying $30 a month is not good enough to get an guarantee. But if you add some more to it, I’m sure that there will be companies that will offer the customer an agreement that will give the user the security (and the guarantee) that they will not loose your data in case of failure. There are companies offering that today, but it costs too much and is maybe not meant for the “general public”. But maybe in a few years…?

As you see - my blog is not just to inform on what we have today. I want to focus on the future - what we will have in X years. This is so that the customers (you) can ask for such services and maybe also companies will get some ideas on the “next big thing”.

Thanks again for sharing your comments!

MobiOne

Thursday, October 26th, 2006 at 5:06 pm

Take a look at Media Fire! Free and no limit!
http://www.mediafire.com/

matt

Monday, November 13th, 2006 at 12:49 am

“The interfaces are too slow. If I would replace my local storage they have to be faster and more reliable.”

Why would anyone ever possibly think pulling and pushing data from online could be as fast as a local hard drive, much less faster?! How old are you?

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Tuesday, November 14th, 2006 at 4:04 pm

dreamhost has 200gb of storage for about 8$/month.

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XtremeDude

Wednesday, August 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pm

It is remarkable the even in today’s age, gracious people like you do honest review for other people.

Thanks .. I’d go for MediaMax .. guess what? it’s free and does fine for me..

Thanks again ..

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John S.

Sunday, February 24th, 2008 at 9:31 pm

I’m getting ready to put my entire life online and set off as a vagabond writer and of course online file storage is desirable. However, there are so many options available its hard to tell where to begin without signing up for hundreds of accounts and trying them out. I really appreciate this review and though it is a bit dated it has certainly provided so good pointers on where to go and what to look for. Thanks!

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